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Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) – Is My DEF Expired?

07 Wednesday Sep 2022

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Class A RVs, DEF, Diesel Exhaust Fluid, Diesel Pusher, RV Camping, RV Engine Maintenance, RV Tips, RV travel, Travel Tips

Before we start, here’s a quick review of Deisel Exhaust Fluid. DEF is designed to treat exhaust coming through the exhaust chamber to meet emissions that were implemented in 2010. Basically, the government issued mandates for lower emissions from diesel engines. DEF uses a mixture of Urea (32.5%) and water (67.5%) sprayed on the exhaust fumes which reduces the NOx to nitrogen and water in order to meet the recommended levels. Since my last article on DEF for Coach-Net was published we have been getting numerous questions regarding DEF and its shelf life, how we know if it’s contaminated, and how to get rid of it.

Is There A Shelf Life For DEF?

I talked with a representative from Blue Sky that stated their DEF has a general one-year shelf life. They went on to state that the Urea will degrade if exposed to direct sunlight or stored in temperatures above 90 degrees. The actual amount of degradation can not be determined unless you purchase a DEF tester.

The representative went on to clarify that if the DEF is stored between temperatures of 10 degrees to 90 degrees it has a one-year shelf life BUT if it is kept out of sunlight and under 75 degrees, it can be used for up to two years, however, it’s best not to use it if it’s over 3 years old.

I have run a company for the past 10 years that had 3 diesel trucks pulling trailers that put over 100,000 miles on each vehicle every year, therefore we have had lots of experience and education regarding DEF. In face, we received a service notice from Ford Motor Company on DEF Shelf Life vs Temperature which listed the following:

Constant Ambient Storage Temperature / Shelf Life In Months

  • ≤ 50 °F degrees – 36 months
  • < 77 °F degrees – 18 months
  • ≤ 86 °F degrees – 12 months
  • ≤ 95 °F degrees – 6 months
  • < 104 °F degrees – 2 months

Interpreting DEF Codes

How do you know when your DEF was produced in order to determine its shelf life? Off-the-shelf products such as the 2.5-gallon versions have a code on the box that includes a date stamp. However, these codes can be difficult to decipher.

I talked with Peak Technical Product Support and he said there are many different codes used on their product due to the bottling and packaging at different plants all over the country. He dissected this one for me as follows:

23/169 /CP7/ 00591/ 0125

  • 23 is a year minus 1 year=2022
  • 169 is how many days are left in the year 2022=July 15, 2022
  • Cp7 is the bottling plant
  • 00591 is tank number
  • 0125 is the batch number

He also stated that they have a two-year shelf life recommendation however it was best to purchase a digital refractometer to be sure what you are putting in your tank has not expired. If you have any doubts as to the date code recommend, call their tech support number and a technician will help dissect the code for you. He also stated that both Walmart and Home Depot are the largest distributors and would have the newest product.

DEF Life At The Pump

Ok, but what about the DEF that is pumped at a larger fueling station from an underground tank and does not have anything printed? The easiest way to tell if the DEF has expired or been contaminated is by looking at it. When DEF is in good shape, it should look clear and free of any contaminants or discoloration. If it is cloudy, discolored, or difficult to see through, it is likely expired.

I spoke with a technician at Cummins and they stated that The NOx sensors monitor the DEF quality and will provide an indication when DEF is not in compliance which is the check engine light.

So what happens if you do have a full tank of DEF and the dreaded “Check Engine” light shows? There are service centers that will drain the tank for you however it can be expensive. Alternatively, you can do it yourself with a mechanical pump or even a hand pump depending on how much you have in the tank. If you have a truck the DEF tank will only be about 3-4 gallons which can be pumped out with a hand pump and put in an empty DEF container or gallon jugs.

According to Daimler Worldwide and specifically the Freightliner Custom Chassis Corporation (FCCC):

DEF life will vary based on temp and direct sunlight, so having the tank in a compartment like it is on RVs is much better than on a vehicle where the tank is exposed to direct sunlight. FCCC has not seen a large number of people having an issue with DEF quality, but I would recommend always leaving some room in the tank so that if you do get an indicator you can still put some fresh DEF in the tank and help revive the DEF quality. In some cases service centers have had to force air into the tank with a hose and then have a second hose to allow it to drain, but that’s certainly not the norm.

What Do You Do If You Have Expired DEF In Your Tank?

So if the shelf life is one year, what should we do about units that have DEF sitting in the tank for longer than that? I’ve talked with several owners who stored their rig during the pandemic and their DEF could be 2-3 years old! As FCCC indicated, try to leave the tank less than ½ full as you can strengthen or rejuvenate degraded DEF with the addition of new DEF!

Being from the Midwest, I contacted the local farm equipment dealer as well as PetroBlend, one of the largest distributors of DEF in the agricultural industry. They stated the very same thing that proper DEF management is the key, as sometimes combines will not go through their 30-gallon tank for a couple of years.

Where Can You Properly Dispose Of Bad DEF?

The internet is flooded with DEF information with some stating it is the same chemical composition as fertilizer so you can dump it just about anywhere. While DEF is non toxic, it should be disposed of in an environmentally friendly way. Do not pour bad DEF down the drain or dump it on the side of the road. It’s recommended to contact your local environmental waste disposal company for a nearby disposal site. I also called the local landfill as they have a hazardous materials division and they will take it at no cost as it is considered residential and falls under fertilizer or engine fluids. Anything over 10 gallons is considered commercial and assessed per gallon.


About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles authored an RV handbook reference guide, and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

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What You Should Know About Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF)

06 Wednesday Jan 2021

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips

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DEF, Diesel Exhaust Fluid, Diesel Pusher, RV Care, RV Maintenance, RV Pro Tips, RV tech tips

What You Should Know About Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF)

According to the information provided on a DEF container, Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) is for use in diesel engines equipped with Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) systems and is formulated to meet 2010 EPA regulations to reduce NOx emissions from diesel exhaust.  It is non-toxic, non-flammable, non-polluting, and meets ISO 22241 Specifications. But what does that mean to you as RVers?

DEF Can

In 2010, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) adopted new emission regulations requiring engine manufacturers to reduce harmful Nitrogen Oxides (NOx) and Particulate Matter (PM) in the exhaust of medium to heavy-duty vehicles.  At the time, most manufacturers turned to the Selective Catalytic Reduction method (SCR) which is a treatment used after the combustion in an exhaust chamber.  Some manufacturers such as Monaco and Navistar in particular elected to use a proprietary method known as Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR).  Just like it sounds, this system cools and recirculates the exhaust gas back to the engine to reduce NOx and PM.  After several years of testing and redesigning, the EGR system did not pass the emission standards and has gone by the wayside.  The SCR method allows engine manufacturers to tune the engines for the utmost fuel efficiency and power and treating the emissions downstream.

To be even more specific we consulted the Cummins Filtrations technicians, one of the leading manufacturers of diesel products for the RV industry.  They stated that DEF is 67.5% deionized water and 32.5% high purity urea which is a nitrogen compound that turns to ammonia when heated.  So basically a DEF dosing valve shoots the solution on the exhaust after the engine just before the catalyst where it vaporizes and decompresses to form ammonia and carbon dioxide which eventually turns the NOx to harmless nitrogen and water.

NOx sensors are located before dosing valve and after to monitor the incoming exhaust which will provide the appropriate amount of DEF to be applied and after to monitor the NOx level to determine it complies with EPA regulations.

Here are some common questions we receive on DEF:

How do I fill my DEF tank?

DEF is stored in a separate tank with the volume depending on the size of the vehicle.  Larger motorhomes will have large tanks that can be filled with bulk pumps at fueling stations while smaller vehicles such as diesel trucks used as tow vehicles have small tanks sometimes located under the engine hood.

DEF Storage Tank

If you have a larger motorhome, check to see if you have a filling spot on each side of your vehicle.  DEF fueling stations are usually just on the driver side which makes it hard to fill if your location is on the passenger side only.

DEF Fill Location on Passenger Side

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DEF Nozzle

What happens if I run out of DEF?

You can not operate the vehicle without DEF!  Some models have an actual level gauge, others just have a warning light.  At 10% a warning light comes on, at 5% it starts to blink, at 2.5% it starts to flash and some motorhomes will have a buzzer.  When it is empty some vehicles go into a “limp” mode that only allows 5mph until the tank is full, others will not even start!

Where can I find it and what should I look for?

DEF has become more readily available today at fueling stations such as Flying J, Pilot, Bosselmans, and others.  It is also available at smaller stations and convenience stores such as Walmart, and most auto parts stores, as well as amazon.com

Does DEF have a shelf life?

DEF does have a shelf life, two years if it’s stored in a cool underground tank, but typically 6 months to one year in portable jugs.  Look for the date code stamped on the jug, if it does not have one, look elsewhere.  If the containers are exposed to the harsh sun most of the day above 86 degrees, it will reduce the shelf life to 6 months!  And always look for the American Petroleum Institute Certification Seal.

How much will I use and should I carry extra?

The amount of DEF applied depends on the amount of fuel you use or your vehicle’s miles per gallon.  Most tow vehicles such as a diesel truck will have a tank capacity of about 5-7 gallons and will get approximately 3500 miles per tank.  Larger units will have up to 10+ gallons capacity.  Most chassis manufacturers we have talked to indicate you will have approximately 2-3% usage.  So if you have a big rig that gets only 6 mpg, you will use 1 gallon every 300 miles.  Typically it’s a 50:1 ratio; for every 50 gallons of fuel, you will use 1 gallon of DEF.

Since it is so readily available, I would not suggest carrying extra containers as the liquid is corrosive to metal components even though it is non-toxic and non-flammable.  If a container were to rupture or freeze and split, the liquid could cause damage to metal components and wiring inside the compartment.  You can switch or mix brands if you find yourself needing some on the road and the nearest fueling station does not carry your brand. Do not reuse containers! Bulk DEF at the pumps is usually cheaper, however, reusing the containers could create problems with contaminants getting into the system from the used container.  When opening a new container, make sure all the protective foil under the cap is removed and does not go into the reservoir.  Also, make sure the paper or plastic seal inside the cap is in good condition and will not get into the fill neck.

Do I need gloves or protective clothing?

DEF is non-toxic, non-flammable, and typically is the least harmful of all the engine fluids.  However, it does have the chemical strength of household ammonia so if you are sensitive to a heavy cleaning agent, it’s a good idea to wear neoprene gloves.  If you spill some on your hands or clothing, simply wash it off with soap and water.

Can DEF freeze?

Yes, since DEF is 67.5% water, it will freeze at temperatures below 12 degrees F, however, most chassis manufacturers have designed a heating system for the tank and lines so it should thaw quickly and not affect performance.  Do not add any type of antifreeze or fuel additive to DEF in extreme temperatures!

What maintenance is required?

There is little maintenance other than using approved DEF and to make sure you do not get contaminants in the jug or funnel.  Some models have a filter or screen that can be removed, inspected, and cleaned yearly.  You can always check with your chassis manufacturer for recommendations.

Thank You To discoverdef.com and Cumminsfiltration.com


About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair ClubRV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

Learn more about RV Repair Club.


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