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Some Like It Hot…But Not When It Comes To An RV Fridge!

04 Wednesday Aug 2021

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RV Fridge, RV tech tip, RV Troubleshooting

As temperatures heat up this summer, so does the frustration of an ineffective absorption or “RV” refrigerator!  And typically insufficient cooling of the refrigerator is in the top three service calls right up there with batteries and air conditioners.

To make your RV refrigerator run more efficiently in hot weather, it’s important to understand how the absorption refrigerator works.  A heat source such as a flame when operating on liquid propane (LP) or a heat element when operating on 120-volt power heats a solution of Ammonia, Hydrogen, Sodium Chromate, and Water that comes from the boiler vessel.  As the solution gets hot, it turns to a vapor and travels up to the condenser fins where the components separate at various stages and create a flashing that draws heat out of the freezer compartment.  

The solutions travel back through the cabinet evaporator fins which can be seen inside the main refrigerator cabinet and make their way back down to the boiler vessel to start the process over.  There are no moving parts in this system and the solution zig zags it’s way back down by gravity. 

Here are 5 tips to make your refrigerator run more efficient in hot weather.

It’s Important To Be Level

Since the solution needs to travel back down the zig zag tubes of the cooling unit, it’s important that your rig is level for this to happen.  Most refrigerator manufacturers state the unit should be level 3 degrees side to side, 6 degrees front to back.  Since most of us do not have a digital leveling device that could tell us that, a good device to use is a bubble leveler that is typically provided with your new refrigerator.

If the bubble is breaking the circle, it’s ok.  This is one of the biggest issues with RV refrigerators as many owners bring their rigs home before a trip, park it in the driveway, and plug into the garage to cool the refrigerator down and load it.  Most driveways are slanted to allow for rain runoff and well past the requirements for the solution to makes its way back to the boiler vessel.  When it happens, the solution pools in the cooling unit tube which makes it heat up and eventually flakes and blocks the flow of the rest of the solution until it becomes solid and the unit does not cool at all. 

Routine Maintenance

Since there are no moving parts, most owners think there is little or no maintenance required for their refrigerator other than cleaning it out.  After all, our residential refrigerator needs no maintenance unless I forget the Braunschweiger hidden in the veggie drawer!  However, for RV refrigerators, there are a few things you need to do at least once a year to make your unit run more efficient.

Clean the roof vent if your refrigerator is not in a slide out.  The heat generated in the back of your refrigerator compartment needs to vent out either through the top of the rig or on the side if your unit is in a slideout.  The roof top vent has a screen covering the rectangular exhaust commonly referred to as the flue which can get plugged and needs to be cleaned to allow the heat to exhaust out. 

Next, clean the burner assembly and other components to get rid of soot, obstructions from spiders and other inspects and dust.  Use an air gun blower and clean out the entire outside compartment shown here.  This is a blow gun purchased at an auto parts store with a ¼” clear hose on the end with a pinch clamp.  Wear safety glasses as this will provide a shower of soot and dust but will prevent additional heat from collecting on the components.

Check the door seals to make sure they are making a good connection.  Place a piece of paper or dollar bill between the door and frame, shut the door and try pulling the paper out.  If it tugs slightly, it is good, however if it slides out easily, it is not sealing and warm moist air can penetrate the inside.

Cool Your Food Before You Go

Don’t put warm food inside a warm refrigerator and expect it to get to 36 degrees anytime soon!  If possible, cool down food before camping and get your refrigerator to operating temperature before you leave.  A typical refrigerator can only reduce ambient temperature inside the cabinet about 10 degrees per cycle which means it can take over 24 hours to bring a unit down from 90 degrees to 36 or even more.  Plus, if you add warm food, it will take longer. 

Since the freezer is the first stage of cooling, I have found it’s easier to keep the rest of the refrigerator cool by putting 5 lb bag of ice in there if you have room.  The more stuff you have in the freezer, the cooler the temperature is in the main ref cabinet…from my experience.

Also, limit the amount of can items in the main cabinet as they have a tendency to create condensation which can collect on the evaporator fins and cause frost.  This will give a false temperature reading to the temperature sensor called the thermistor and the refrigerator will not cool efficiently. 

Make Sure There Is Good Airflow Inside

Heat rises and it’s not uncommon for a refrigerator to create pockets of hot and cold air as there is virtually no air movement inside your refrigerator.  Use a small 9-volt fan placed on the bottom shelf to get air moving evenly around the inside.  Do not put plastic or other liners on the shelves as this will also block the air flow.  Check to make sure the thermistor is not covered in frost, if so you will need to defrost the unit.  You may need to raise the thermistor to a higher position on the evaporator fins as hot air rises. 

Cool The Back Of The Refrigerator Compartment

If possible, park your rig with the refrigerator side in the shade during the heat of the day.  Direct sunlight in the afternoon will heat the compartment and make it difficult to keep up with the additional heat.  The addition of venting fans will also help move the heat out of the compartment to the roof vent or slideroom upper vent.

These should be placed above the cooling unit just under the evaporator coil.  Smaller fans placed at the bottom are ineffective as there is to much obstruction from the boiler vessel and other cooling unit components.

Quick Troubleshooting

If your refrigerator is not cooling efficiently, check the operation on both modes.  If it is cooling on LP better than 120-volt AC power, you can verify it’s not the cooling unit, rather something in the 120-volt AC operation.  Generally low voltage or a weak heating unit.  If it’s cooling on 120-volt AC, then it’s something in the LP operation such as low LP pressure from the regulator, dirty burner assembly, or erratic flame operation.


About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair Club

RV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

Learn more about RV Repair Club.


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Slide Rooms – A Love/Hate Relationship

09 Wednesday Sep 2020

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips, Tips & Tricks

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Slide Rooms – A Love/Hate Relationship

Slide rooms, slide-outs, room extensions, bump-outs, whatever you want to call them have “expanded” the interior space for RVs since the early years of the travel trailers in the 1970s and into the larger trailers with NewMar and the motorized in the mid-1990s. When I was at Winnebago Industries we introduced the first slide room in an Itasca Suncruiser in 1996 and the wide-body (102.5”) in the Winnebago Adventurer.  At that time the only slide mechanisms available were the HWH hydraulic version with slide-out rams, and the Power Gear used by Fleetwood with hydraulics and a pinion gear mechanism.

Fast forward to 2020 and we now see room extensions in just about every RV and a variety of power systems and mechanisms!  A couple of years ago I talked with my contact at Winnebago about the problems owners were having with their slide rooms and he indicated that Lippert Componets Inc (LCI) has purchased almost every slide mechanism company such as Power Gear, Schwintek, Kwikee, and also have their own systems.  So the biggest challenge is identifying what system you have and there could be several in your rig!

Leveling Your Rig

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I have discussed this with every slide mechanism manufacturer and they all agree…level your rig and stabilize it before extending the slide rooms! If the rig is out of level, the chassis will twist and the sidewall will twist and the room will not be able to extend without some resistance.

Check Your Battery Voltage

Most slide room mechanisms operate on the 12-volt house batteries and there is a very huge issue with sulfated or weak batteries.  You can check out our other articles on proper battery charging/conditioning, however, it’s a good idea to carry a portable battery charger that you can use to get your slide room and leveling jacks retracted in the case of an emergency.  If your batteries are weak or sulfated, they may run some basic functions, but when it comes to a major amp draw to bring the slide room in or out, they may not be up to the task.  Hook up a portable charger/booster and you might be able to provide enough power to extend or retract the room.  Even if your batteries show a 12.6-volt charge with a multimeter, they could be sulfated enough to not provide enough power to extend or retract the room.  This can be verified with the same multimeter on the battery at the time of operation which would show the voltage drop during the “draw”.

Troubleshooting Guides

Most of the major slide mechanism manufacturers have troubleshooting guides available, it’s just a manor of understanding what mechanism you have.  If it’s a cable slide used mostly in the bedroom slides, it’s probably a BAL Acuslide or LCI and the motor is located inside above the room with cables and pulleys.  This is an easy system to troubleshoot as the points are the motor, cables, and pulleys.

Troubleshooting Schwintek Slide Mechanism

The Schwintek slide has small motors in the walls of the rig on each side that run the room out on a rail of teeth.  There are two issues with this slide, make sure the motor is working and the rail is aligned with the teeth of the motor.  Pull back the rubber seal and you should be able to see the motor and the “gibbs” above and below the rail.  Lippert Components Inc (LCI) which owns the Schwintek brand recommends lubricating the motor coupler and gibbs with CRC power Lube.  Check your owner’s manual for specific locations.

Slide-Out

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If your slide room does not operate, verify proper voltage from the house batteries.  Try using a battery charger to “boost” the batteries during mechanism operation.  Also verify there is nothing restricting the room such as items along the side or something underneath the room.  The room typically moves in and out on rollers.  Check to make sure they are not jammed or broken.

Slide-Out Assembly

Lippert Owner’s Manual

There are several troubleshooting methods outlined in the owner’s manual such as verifying voltage to the motors, checking resistance at the motor and others.  You can manually retract the slide room by over riding the control module or in a worst case scenario, removing the motors and manually retracting the slide room.

Hydraulic Slide Room Troubleshooting

Lippert Components Incorporated (LCI) owns the majority of slide room mechanisms having purchased Schwintek, Power Gear, and even Kwikee over the years and has an excellent customer service department.  If you don’t have an owner’s manual for your slide mechanism, they have them available online and it’s a good idea to have one handy!  It’s best to review the troubleshooting tips at your leisure rather than stuck with a nonfunctioning slide room in the middle of your vacation.  If your hydraulic mechanism is not working, first check the battery voltage as suggested earlier, then check the fluid reservoir.  One of the biggest issues with slide room failure according to my source at one of the largest motorhome manufacturers is ground wires as there are several “gremlins” in the grounded system of rigs.  If the motor is not operating, the first thing they do in the service department is run a new dedicated ground rather than spending hours tracing the old one.

Once again, there are some very good troubleshooting tips in the owner’s manual or you can find additional help at www.lci1.com/customerservice  or call customer service at 574-537-8900.

If the motor does not operate, verify there is 12v DC power to the back of the switch and to the motor.  If there is 12v DC power to the motor and it does not operate, the motor needs to be replaced.  You can manually override most hydraulic systems with a hand crank or an appropriate hex or other bit at the motor.  In our video demonstration, our unit required a ¼” hex bit had a manual drive knob that could be turned and with the hex bit inserted into the access port, the room could be extended and retracted.  Turning the knob allowed the hydraulic fluid to flow the proper direction.


About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair ClubRV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

Learn more about RV Repair Club.


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