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Propane Saving Tips For Colder Weather RVing

03 Wednesday Nov 2021

Posted by Coach-Net in RV Safety, Tech Tips, Tips & Tricks

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RV Camping, RV Insulation, RV Propane, RV Propane Tips, RV Safety, RV tech tip, RV Tips, RV travel, RV winter maintenance

As the colder end of fall approaches and winter starts arriving, an RV can be a very cozy camping option. However, keeping one warm can go through quite a bit of propane. So why does an RV propane heater use so much propane, and how can one make propane last as long as possible during their short-term or long-term winter RVing trips? Follow these propane-saving tips below to help you stay toasty in your rig and go easier on your wallet this winter.

How an RV Propane Furnace Works

Your RV’s propane furnace is a pretty simple device. Propane is burned to heat air which is forced through the ductwork of the floor by an electric fan. Openly burning propane in an enclosed space without ventilation is generally quite deadly due to carbon monoxide gas. For this reason, the propane in an RV furnace burns in a tube and heating element that vents directly outside your RV. The air in your RV is blown over the heating element to heat it.

This necessary ventilation carries as much as 30%-50% of the heat generated by burning propane and blows it outside. That means you need to burn up to twice as much fuel to get the same amount of BTUs worth of heat inside your rig as you would if you were just burning propane inside.

This may sound like a design flaw, but ventilation is necessary for the warm, dry, and safe air being blown throughout your RV. Even though you should have your propane system and furnace inspected periodically, there is no way to modify this efficiency. The best ways to save on propane involve keeping the heat in your RV as long as possible or using other safe methods to heat your rig.

1. Close Your Gaps

Check around slides, windows, doors, and any other potential gaps and close them off. You may find that some gaps need repairing, while other areas may just require you to add a bit of insulating material. For example, my motorhome gets cold drafts from the air vents. In cold weather, I stop this draft by placing a cloth in the air filter intake of the engine. The trick is remembering to remove the cloth before starting the engine up.

One way to find gaps is to go around with a temperature gun in your RV and look for cold areas. If a particular area is colder than the rest of the rig, there is a reason. Sometimes it’s because cold air is seeping in, which means warm air is escaping too.

2. Insulate

A well-insulated RV will hold heat longer which will reduce the time your furnace has to run. Many of the same tricks people use in the summer to help keep their RV cool will also help in the winter. For example, placing those square insulating pillows in the roof vents can help a lot, considering warm air rises and vents are a significant source of heat loss.

In addition to vents, windows could always use a little extra insulation. There are several ways to do this but many use Reflectix material on the windows, just like in the summertime. To prevent condensation from forming behind it, we like to put our insulation on the outside of the windows.

Reflectix is bubble wrap with foil on either side. It is pretty inexpensive and can be cut to size.

In addition to window insulation and roof vent insulation, adding heavy curtains and carpets to your RV can help retain heat. The bottom line is the longer the heat stays in your RV, the less your furnace must run, which saves you on propane.

3. Use Supplemental Heating

If your RV air conditioner has a heat pump setting, you can use that electrical heat source to save a lot of propane. There’s a catch, though. Typically RV heat pumps don’t work well once outside temperatures drop below 40 degrees.

Another option is to use a portable electric heater to help take the chill out of the air. It’s not recommended to use one if you are not actively able to keep an eye on your rig, though typical portable heaters have a few safety concerns to consider.

  • They take 1,500 watts of power to run, so a 30 amp RV shouldn’t run more than one on high.
  • They should have three feet of clearance around them.
  • It’s not recommended to run them while sleeping.
  • Relying solely on portable heaters and not running your furnace when it is below freezing can prevent warm air from reaching your pipes in some models, which puts your plumbing at risk of freezing.

Using a heating blanket with temperature settings while sleeping can help you keep the temperature much lower while remaining cozy. They also make heated fitted sheets, so the warmth comes from the mattress itself.

4. Layer up Inside

Keeping the thermostat in your RV as low as comfortably possible will cut down on the time your furnace must kick on each day. That being said, if you bundle up while inside your RV, you can probably stand to keep it colder. This doesn’t mean you have to suffer while winter RVing. Thick PJs, comfortable sweaters, and thick wool socks or slippers are all acceptable RV wear.

A propane-saving trick for comfort is only to kick up the heat when you need it. For example, if you keep the thermostat at 65 degrees all day and bundle up, you are going to eat up all that propane savings by kicking it up to 75 for fifteen minutes while you take a shower. So you can get out, dry off and get back into some cozy clothes before dropping the temp back down.

Propane Saving Tips in a Nutshell

Propane saving tips aren’t all that complicated. Before heading out on your winter, RVing adventures just make sure you don’t have any gaps that let the cold air in, insulate your vents, windows, and floors, and keep the thermostat as low as you can comfortably stand it. Additionally, use supplemental heating sources like heat blankets and safely use space heaters to assist your RV furnace.

Do you know what else isn’t complicated? Feeling safe in your winter travels because you have Coach-Net’s 30+ years of experience providing roadside assistance and peace of mind to its members and RV technical assistance just a phone call away. So don’t forget to join or renew your membership before hitting the road today.


About The Author: Levi Henley

Levi Henley and his wife, Natalie, have been full-time RVers for over 5 years. They have also been Coach-Net customers for the same amount of time.  They travel and workcamp around the U.S. in their 26-foot Itasca Sunstar motorhome with their two cats.  They write for multiple RV-related publications and recently co-wrote “Seasonal Workamping for a Living: How We Did It.” You can follow their adventures on the road at henleyshappytrails.com 

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How and Why to Install an External Propane Kit on your Motorhome

29 Monday Mar 2021

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips, Tips & Tricks

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Propane Safety, Propane System, RV Camping Tips, RV Propane, RV Protect, RV tech tip, RV Tips

There are many reasons to choose one type of RV over another. People that opt for a motorhome may do so because they offer many convenient features. An auto-leveling system, climate control while driving, and a built-in generator are all pros of getting a motorhome. One drawback to owning a motorhome RVers can quickly discover is that the propane tank is not removable. Instead of detaching the propane tank and taking it to the closest Tractor Supply to fill, you must drive the entire motorhome there.

For those camping in colder locations or wishing to stay in one place for several weeks, it can be a pain to have to move the whole motorhome every time the propane runs low. Fortunately, there is a product for that. External propane kits are easy to install and readily available. They not only give you the ability to hook up external propane tanks to your motorhome, but some also have ports that allow for you to hook up gas grills, so you don’t have to go through those disposable 1lb bottles.

How does it work?

Camco Propane Brass 4 Port Tee- Comes with 5ft and 12ft Hoses listed on Amazon.

The main component of a propane kit is the brass tee. It is called a tee because it allows propane from your main tank to flow to your propane regulator in a straight line but has a port in the middle that you can fit a hose to making a “T” shape. Most models will have a one-way valve either in the tee itself or the external propane hose. This valve allows propane to flow from the external tank but not the other direction.

Where do you get one?

Most RV parts stores will carry them, and you can order them online from places like Amazon or Walmart. You can purchase just the tee for about $40 or the entire kit with hoses at $60 to $80. From personal experience, I have found that the 5’ hose (that comes with most of these kits) is a little short. Sometimes I want the tanks on the opposite side of the RV. For that reason, I have opted to purchase a 12’ propane hose.

Camco 59035 12′ Propane Supply Hose

How do you install it?

This is the regulator attached to the motorhome propane tank. Notice the notches on the screw. That means it’s threaded backward.

The first step to installing a brass tee is to make sure your propane is off. Once the propane is off, you will want to disconnect the regulator of the propane tank. Keep in mind that a POL propane connector is threaded backward. Instead of “righty tighty, lefty loosey,” it’s the opposite of that.

This is the regulator removed from the main tank.

Next, you will want to remove the regulator from the main tank output. The brass tee will go in between the regulator and the tank. It is vital for the proper function that the tee be installed before the regulator. If it is somehow installed downline from it, your propane system won’t function and could pose a hazard because the external tank pressure will not be regulated when it does through the system.

Screw the brass tee into the tank, and then screw the regulator into the tee. You may have noticed the fittings have O-rings on them and therefore do not need any thread seal tape.

I used a ⅞ wrench to screw the regulator into the brass tee.

The last steps are to attach the propane hose and then screw the hose onto a propane tank. It’s important to note that though there are no O-rings, the fitting here is a flair fitting. It is designed to seal without thread seal tape.

Here is the hose connected. You may notice the thread seal tape at the top, but where the hose connects, there isn’t any.

Connect the other end of the hose to a propane tank.

Once everything is connected, keep the motorhome propane tank off and turn on the external tank. It may be a good idea to check for leaks at this time. Many people use soapy water in a spray bottle and spray it over all the connections. If you see bubbles coming out, there is a leak.

They also make propane leak detector spray that claims to be non-corrosive. Some customers say that it works better. I use the leak detector spray because it’s in a convenient bottle, it’s about $5, and it can last several years. It works the same way, spray it on all connections and see if there are any bubbles.

Camco 10324 Gas Leak Detector with Sprayer – 8 oz – from Amazon

Once you have tested for leaks, try the stove. It can take a moment for the stove to light if there is any air in the lines. If you would like to see a video demonstration on installing a brass tee, check out the video below.

Any more tips?

When you move the propane regulator over, you may find that it no longer fits and hangs over the shelf. If that’s the case, you may want to find a way to elongate the shelf to keep road debris out of the regulator.

There are many ways to do this, but I went to Home Depot and found a couple of metal plates that I could bolt onto the existing shelf to extend it. If you plan on removing the brass tee before moving the rig, you won’t have to do this, but if you leave it on, you will want to protect the regulator.

Here are the two overlapping Simpson Strong-Tie TP 3-1/8 in. x 7 in. 20-Gauge Galvanized Tie Plates I used to extend the platform that the regulator sits on.

The next tip is one of safety. Propane can be dangerous to work with, and if you don’t feel comfortable installing this yourself, it should be easy to get an RV tech to do it for you. Always keep propane safety in mind.


About The Author: Levi Henley

Levi Henley and his wife, Natalie, have been full-time RVers for over 5 years. They have also been Coach-Net customers for the same amount of time.  They travel and workcamp around the U.S. in their 26-foot Itasca Sunstar motorhome with their two cats.  They write for multiple RV-related publications and recently co-wrote “Seasonal Workamping for a Living: How We Did It.” You can follow their adventures on the road at henleyshappytrails.com 

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Your Propane System

20 Wednesday Jan 2016

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips

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Butane, LP, Propane Safety, Propane System, RV Propane, tech tip

Propane-System
Most RV owners understand the basics of their coach propane system. This article will introduce some additional detail about how the propane system works, starting with some terminology. “LP” is an acronym for “Liquefied Petroleum”. Propane and Butane are the primary hydrocarbons in the Liquefied Petroleum family.

Propane-CylinderA frequently misused term is “tank”. By definition, propane tanks are those permanently mounted on an RV such as a motorhome. If the container is temporarily mounted such that it can be removed for filling, it is referred to as a cylinder (refer to figures 1 and 2). Therefore, the generic term is “container”,which applies to both tanks and cylinders.

Both propane and butane mixtures can be used in an RV, and LP dealers in North America may use either or a mixture of both. The differences are largely unimportant except when it comes to temperature. Butane has a vaporization temperature of approximately 32 degrees F, whereas propane is approximately -40 degrees F. Vaporization temperature is the temperature at which the liquid in the container turns to gas (vapor). This is important because RV appliances only use the vapor (with the possible exception of the LP generator). If it is too cold outside and you have a higher butane mixture in your container, the liquid may have a problem maintaining a high enough vaporization rate. If you have problems with your burners in cold weather, you should consider having your container refilled with an LP mixture containing a higher propane concentration.

Propane Safety

Modern propane tanks and cylinders have built-in safety devices that prevent containers from being overfilled, as well as excess flow valves that prevent gas flow if a high-pressure hose is damaged. Always ensure that cylinders are filled by weight and tanks are filled by volume. Make sure that the filling attendant always opens the vent valve on a cylinder or the liquid drain valve on a tank so the container is never overfilled. Even though there is an overfill protection device (OPD), it is possible for it to fail, in which case the vent/liquid drain valve will give a visual indication that the container is full.Propane-tank

It is important to have your RV propane system inspected annually. This should be performed only by a qualified RV dealership. The technician will check for and adjust to proper operating pressure and regulator function, ensure there are no leaks in the LP system, perform a thorough inspection of all gas appliances, and complete any required repairs. The proper operating pressure of an RV propane system is 11 inches of water, which is measured using a special low-pressure gauge called a manometer. The technician will also check to make sure the regulator properly locks up at a pressure of no more than 14 inches of water. In many jurisdictions, it is not legal for a licensed dealership to release an RV with propane system defects to an owner without the defects being fully and properly repaired. Therefore, be aware that if your RV is found to have problems with the LP system, you will likely not have a choice but to have the problem fixed. This may include replacing components or entire appliances, possibly resulting in a significant outlay of cash. Although the repair may be expensive, it ensures that your RV is safe to operate. Remember that propane is a very safe gas as long as it is maintained in good condition by a professional technician.

For an additional look into your RV propane system, be sure to watch this video from our friends at RV Repair Club.

Propane-video

About the Author: 

Steve Froese, an avid RV owner, traveler, and Coach-Net member since 2013, is the principal of “A Word to the Wise Technical Communications”, a published RV author, certified RV technician, and licensed Professional Engineer. He frequently collaborates with the “RV Doctor”, Gary Bunzer, and has worked with the RVIA/RVDA as a technical and training writer and consultant. Professionally, he works as a quality engineer and musician. Watch for more of Steve’s work in upcoming Coach-Net publications.

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