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Slide-Out Maintenance

06 Monday May 2024

Posted by Coach-Net in RV Information, Tech Tips, Tips & Tricks

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One of the challenges of writing any technical content for RVers is being able to provide information that is specific to the individual type of RV one has. Since there have been over 100 different RV companies over the years and even more models within those individual companies, it becomes difficult to provide information on every individual scenario without being too generic or too specific to one type which means the information does not pertain to a wide majority.

And so it is with slide room maintenance.  Slide rooms were introduced in travel trailers and 5th Wheels as far back as the 1970s and the “Power Slide” was invented and introduced in 1990 by Newmar.  Most other companies joined the slide-out craze a few years later with a variety of new mechanisms such as HWH, Power Gear, and others.  Since then there have been both hydraulic and electric mechanisms from companies such as Kwikee, RBW Industries, and more recently, Lippert Components Inc (LCI) which has purchased Power Gear, Kwikee, BAL Accu-Slide, and others.

Hydraulic Mechanisms

Typically a hydraulic slide-out mechanism uses a pump that that is often shared with the hydraulic leveling jacks if equipped.  It has a fluid reservoir and pumps the fluid through the lines and cylinders to move the room in and out. There is little maintenance required of the pump other than making sure the fluid level is checked and topped off with the recommended hydraulic fluid.

The actual mechanisms vary between manufacturers, HWH uses two telescoping rams with a synchronizing rod.  HWH recommends periodically cleaning the rams with WD 40 and wiping off the excess. They also recommend extending and retracting the room twice a month to keep the seals lubricated.  One note: run the room all the way to the extended and retracted position, do not stop part-way!

Lippert Components Inc (LCI) uses an inner and outer assembly with a drive tube.  They also recommend extending and retracting the room twice a month to keep the seals lubricated and to visually inspect all components for debris, dirt buildup, and bent parts.  If you experience a squeaking noise during operation apply a coat of lightweight oil and wipe off the excess and DO NOT USE GREASE!

Several manufacturers have used the RWB Industries motor (owned by Dexter) and a proprietary gear-driven mechanism such as Newmar, National RV, and others.  Since there are so many different mechanisms used, it’s a safe bet to run the unit a couple of times a year, visually inspect the components, and verify what lubricant your manufacturer recommends to clean and lubricate the gears and arms.

Electric Mechanism

Smaller, lightweight rooms use a more inexpensive electric motor, especially models that do not have hydraulic leveling jacks that could utilize the jack motor.  Once again there are several options such as the cable slides (BAL Acu-slide), Schwintek with small motors in the sidewall and a gear-driven track, or a standard mechanism with an electric motor.

The electric motor requires no maintenance other than having 12-volt power to the unit.  The cable systems do require a periodic visual inspection to make sure the cable is not sagging, loose, or frayed.

 Cable Slideout

Cable Slideout

It is also a good idea to visually inspect all components for debris or obstructions and clean out any tracks with fluid film, a spray product available at O’Reilly Auto Parts.  This is a rust inhibitor and will not damage rubber seals.  Make sure to wipe off any excess spray.

Schwintek

Schwintek Slideout

The Schwintek slideout mechanism can develop a grinding or squeaking noise and it is recommended to spray CRC Power Lube with PTFE on the rails as well as the gibbs and motor coupler.  These can be found by pulling back the rubber seal outside at the rails.

In-Wall Slide-Out

Slide Room and Seal Maintenance

Most slide rooms or the “Box” are fairly similar, the outer wall cut out of or built from the same material as the sidewall, laminated side/top/bottom panels.  These do not require much maintenance other than making sure there is no debris on the top of the slide room when you bring it back in!  Some manufacturers have an awning over the slide room to keep sticks and other debris from falling on the top which would tear the bulb seal during retraction.  If you do not have an awning cover, you need to clean off the top every time you retract the room!

Slide Out Maintenance

LEVEL THE COACH BEFORE RETRACTING THE SLIDE!  I’m amazed at how many companies do not have this as a standard operating procedure?  RV chassis are not rock solid, they will bend and twist in an unlevel situation which causes the sidewall to twist which creates additional pressure or binding as the square box is trying to go out of an unsquared opening.

All slideout rooms have a weather strip or seal around the opening of the sidewall.  Some use a two-part rubber gasket or seal applied both inside the rig and outside.  Others use a two-sided bulb seal that is applied to the flange of the sidewall.  In either case, it’s a good idea to condition the seal with an approved product such as the ProtectAll SlideOut Rubber Seal Treatment or ProtectAll All Surface Care.

Slide-Out Lubricant

Both products have UV protection that will help keep the rubber seal from weather checking and reduce friction.

Visually inspect the underside of the slide room both inside and out.  Look for obstructions or any signs of wear and tear.  Most use a roller or glide underneath, make sure there is no damage to the mechanism or the floor.

And finally, make sure you look for items around the side of the room inside such as lawn chairs or other items that might have been placed or stored when packing up the camper.  You can not believe what a mess a boxed wine container makes when the room is extended!


About the author:

Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair Club

RV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair, and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

Learn more about RV Repair Club.


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Slide Rooms – A Love/Hate Relationship

09 Wednesday Sep 2020

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips, Tips & Tricks

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Slide Rooms – A Love/Hate Relationship

Slide rooms, slide-outs, room extensions, bump-outs, whatever you want to call them have “expanded” the interior space for RVs since the early years of the travel trailers in the 1970s and into the larger trailers with NewMar and the motorized in the mid-1990s. When I was at Winnebago Industries we introduced the first slide room in an Itasca Suncruiser in 1996 and the wide-body (102.5”) in the Winnebago Adventurer.  At that time the only slide mechanisms available were the HWH hydraulic version with slide-out rams, and the Power Gear used by Fleetwood with hydraulics and a pinion gear mechanism.

Fast forward to 2020 and we now see room extensions in just about every RV and a variety of power systems and mechanisms!  A couple of years ago I talked with my contact at Winnebago about the problems owners were having with their slide rooms and he indicated that Lippert Componets Inc (LCI) has purchased almost every slide mechanism company such as Power Gear, Schwintek, Kwikee, and also have their own systems.  So the biggest challenge is identifying what system you have and there could be several in your rig!

Leveling Your Rig

Photo Credit: David Solberg

I have discussed this with every slide mechanism manufacturer and they all agree…level your rig and stabilize it before extending the slide rooms! If the rig is out of level, the chassis will twist and the sidewall will twist and the room will not be able to extend without some resistance.

Check Your Battery Voltage

Most slide room mechanisms operate on the 12-volt house batteries and there is a very huge issue with sulfated or weak batteries.  You can check out our other articles on proper battery charging/conditioning, however, it’s a good idea to carry a portable battery charger that you can use to get your slide room and leveling jacks retracted in the case of an emergency.  If your batteries are weak or sulfated, they may run some basic functions, but when it comes to a major amp draw to bring the slide room in or out, they may not be up to the task.  Hook up a portable charger/booster and you might be able to provide enough power to extend or retract the room.  Even if your batteries show a 12.6-volt charge with a multimeter, they could be sulfated enough to not provide enough power to extend or retract the room.  This can be verified with the same multimeter on the battery at the time of operation which would show the voltage drop during the “draw”.

Troubleshooting Guides

Most of the major slide mechanism manufacturers have troubleshooting guides available, it’s just a manor of understanding what mechanism you have.  If it’s a cable slide used mostly in the bedroom slides, it’s probably a BAL Acuslide or LCI and the motor is located inside above the room with cables and pulleys.  This is an easy system to troubleshoot as the points are the motor, cables, and pulleys.

Troubleshooting Schwintek Slide Mechanism

The Schwintek slide has small motors in the walls of the rig on each side that run the room out on a rail of teeth.  There are two issues with this slide, make sure the motor is working and the rail is aligned with the teeth of the motor.  Pull back the rubber seal and you should be able to see the motor and the “gibbs” above and below the rail.  Lippert Components Inc (LCI) which owns the Schwintek brand recommends lubricating the motor coupler and gibbs with CRC power Lube.  Check your owner’s manual for specific locations.

Slide-Out

Photo Credit: David Solberg

If your slide room does not operate, verify proper voltage from the house batteries.  Try using a battery charger to “boost” the batteries during mechanism operation.  Also verify there is nothing restricting the room such as items along the side or something underneath the room.  The room typically moves in and out on rollers.  Check to make sure they are not jammed or broken.

Slide-Out Assembly

Lippert Owner’s Manual

There are several troubleshooting methods outlined in the owner’s manual such as verifying voltage to the motors, checking resistance at the motor and others.  You can manually retract the slide room by over riding the control module or in a worst case scenario, removing the motors and manually retracting the slide room.

Hydraulic Slide Room Troubleshooting

Lippert Components Incorporated (LCI) owns the majority of slide room mechanisms having purchased Schwintek, Power Gear, and even Kwikee over the years and has an excellent customer service department.  If you don’t have an owner’s manual for your slide mechanism, they have them available online and it’s a good idea to have one handy!  It’s best to review the troubleshooting tips at your leisure rather than stuck with a nonfunctioning slide room in the middle of your vacation.  If your hydraulic mechanism is not working, first check the battery voltage as suggested earlier, then check the fluid reservoir.  One of the biggest issues with slide room failure according to my source at one of the largest motorhome manufacturers is ground wires as there are several “gremlins” in the grounded system of rigs.  If the motor is not operating, the first thing they do in the service department is run a new dedicated ground rather than spending hours tracing the old one.

Once again, there are some very good troubleshooting tips in the owner’s manual or you can find additional help at www.lci1.com/customerservice  or call customer service at 574-537-8900.

If the motor does not operate, verify there is 12v DC power to the back of the switch and to the motor.  If there is 12v DC power to the motor and it does not operate, the motor needs to be replaced.  You can manually override most hydraulic systems with a hand crank or an appropriate hex or other bit at the motor.  In our video demonstration, our unit required a ¼” hex bit had a manual drive knob that could be turned and with the hex bit inserted into the access port, the room could be extended and retracted.  Turning the knob allowed the hydraulic fluid to flow the proper direction.


About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair ClubRV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

Learn more about RV Repair Club.


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Slideout Savvy: Your Guide To Proper Slideout Maintenance

19 Wednesday Aug 2015

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Slideout Savvy - Your Guide To Proper Slideout MaintenanceMany, if not most, of today’s recreational vehicles come equipped with at least one slideout room. Although these add much-needed floor space, it is also important to bear in mind the added maintenance required to keep the slide rooms working reliably and properly. Slide rooms come in many different sizes, but it is important to understand that regardless of how large the slideout is, the operating mechanism is doing a significant amount of work whenever the slide is extended or retracted. Therefore, even though the systems are inherently reliable, they do require regular attention.

RV Slideout MaintenanceAside from other mechanical breakdown that may occur with slideouts, there are two main areas of “common” failure, which are misalignment and leaks. Although these seem like small problems to resolve, I strongly recommend having all slide issues, whether they are deemed minor or major, identified and repaired by a certified RV repair facility. Even minor slide adjustments can lead to additional problems, and even coach damage, if not properly performed.

Slide misalignment can occur for a variety of reasons and, depending on the severity, the symptoms range from minor water leaks to damage caused by binding. When adjusting a misaligned slide, two primary steps must be undertaken, and these must be done expertly and carefully to avoid further damage. The first step is to identify the cause of the misalignment. This is best left to a professional RV technician, as slide mechanisms consist of several components working together, and identifying the point of failure is rarely straightforward, even for the savviest RV owner. The second step is obviously to correct the misalignment. Slide misalignment can occur along any axis, and the adjustments vary accordingly. While adjusting the slide, there is significant risk of over-compensating, possibly resulting in binding between the slide room and the sidewall of the RV. Binding can become so severe as to seize the slideout and possibly damage the RV.  Over-adjusting is fairly common, especially among RV owners who attempt to perform their own adjustment. In reality, even among RV service centers, it is common for some RV technicians to specialize in slideout repair, and some to never touch them due to the complexity of the systems, and specialized training is often undertaken.

RV Slideout MaintenanceSlideout leaks are usually caused by misalignment, but may also be due to worn or damaged seals. Slideout rooms incorporate a variety of different seal types, which prevent the slide from leaking when both extended and retracted. If you notice a leak in the area of your slideout, it is advisable to attempt to identify the exact location of the leak and provide this information to your local service dealer. Slide room leaks and misalignment tend to be related, and both can be easily remedied by your local service shop, so you should certainly report any slide issues to your local dealership immediately, as waiting is bound to make the problem worse, and more expensive.

In terms of regular maintenance, be sure to regularly lubricate the slide mechanism with specially formulated slideout lubricant available from your local RV supply outlet. Spray all external parts of the mechanism, but be sure not to get any spray on rollers or other components that contact flooring, tile, or carpet. If your slide room is hydraulic, ensure the reservoir is always full and that there are no hydraulic leaks. Perform other maintenance as indicated in your owner’s manual. When it comes to slide rooms, maintenance is the key to avoiding expensive repair.

About the Author:

Steve Froese, an avid RV owner, traveler, and  Coach-Net member since 2013, is the principal of “A Word to the Wise Technical Communications”, a published RV author, certified RV technician, and licensed Professional Engineer. He frequently collaborates with the “RV Doctor”, Gary Bunzer, and has worked with the RVIA/RVDA as a technical and training writer and consultant. Professionally, he works as a quality engineer and musician. Watch for more of Steve’s work in upcoming Coach-Net publications.

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