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Things To Know Before You Get Into Hot Water-Water Heaters

03 Thursday Jun 2021

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips

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RV Hot Water Heater, RV tech tips, RV Tips, RV Water Heater

Water heaters used in today’s RV have come a long way since the old manual start models.  There are also several types such as 6 gallon liquid propane (LP) fueled, 6 and 10 gallon LP and 120-Volt electric powered, and even on demand systems.  All these systems operate very similar to residential models and need little maintenance, however there are some things you need to understand to make them run more efficient and keep them running.

Winterizing

One of the most important aspects of a water heater is making sure you drain the water during storage and winterize it with either RV antifreeze or make sure there is no water in the tank and lines.  If water is in the tank and it freezes, it will split the inner tank and ruin it.  Typically there are two main water heater manufacturers, Suburban and Atwood.  Both have a drain plug that will allow you to drain the water.

This picture shows a typical Suburban water heater with a metal drain plug with an anode rod.  The anode rode acts as a sacrificial metal to prevent the tank from rusting.  The Suburban tank is aluminum and does not need the rod.  When draining the tank it a good idea to inspect the anode rod if your unit has one and replace it if it’s badly corroded.

Once the water is drained you will need to either fill the entire tank with RV Antifreeze or another method is to bypass the water heater and leave it empty. 

This valve diverts the water away from the system and allows you to fill all the remaining lines with RV antifreeze and not waste 6-10 gallons filling the tank.  If your system does not have a bypass valve, there are aftermarket kits that are easy to install.  The other option is to make sure all the water is removed not only from the tank, but also all the lines in the system.

If you are storing your rig in an area that is not cold it is still a good idea to drain the tank just in case and also to get rid of standing water that can eventually not only get very stale and smell bad, but can also create mold and mildew.

Dewinterizing

When you are ready to bring the unit back out of storage, make sure there is water in the tank before starting it up!  Running an electric water heater without a full tank will burn out the electric heating element.

Periodic Tank Maintenance

Since you will be using hard water from campground source a fair amount of the time, sediment such as calcium, rust, lime, and even sand can accumulate in the tank.  Therefore it’s a good idea to drain the tank and flush it periodically with fresh water and a garden hose.

If you detect a Sulphur or other bad smell, run the cold water first to determine if it’s coming from the fresh water tank.  Then run the hot and to isolate if it’s hot or cold.  To sanitize the hot water tank you can use chlorine bleach mixed to the recommendations on the side of the bottle, vinegar and water, or one of the various fresh water sanitizers available on the market.

It is also a good idea to periodically clean the burner assembly and air shutter tube.  Use an air compressor with a blow gun and make sure you wear safety glasses. 

Pilot Light Models

Inexpensive water heaters still require a manual lighting of a pilot light.  Refer to the original equipment (OEM) owner’s manual for this procedure.  Typically the procedure starts with making sure the propane tank valve is on and you have propane.  Turn the control knob to pilot.  This position is spring loaded so hold the control knob down and light with a long match or butane lighter with long extension and hold the knob down for approximately one minute or until it will stay lite.

Once the pilot stays on permanently, move the knob to the On position.  Some models also have a temperature knob that will allow you to set the desired temperature. 

Direct Ignition Start (DSI) Models

The DSI models are easy to start, simply verify the LP is on at the tank and push the On switch usually located at the monitor panel.  This activates the module board which is connected to the thermostat at the tank.  As the water temperature falls below the preset temperature, the module board opens the gas valve, starts the spark ignitor similar to what the pilot light would do, and starts the heater.  Once the water in the tank gets to the preset temperature it will shut off.

This photo shows the thermostat as well as the emergency cut off (ECO) switch in case the unit gets too hot.

Troubleshooting

If you notice water dripping or “weeping” out of the pressure relief valve located in the above photo with the yellow label, this is normal.  The tank should not reach over 210 degrees or 150 psi and if the system is running for a long period of time, it will typically reach 150 psi and simply “weep” out the additional pressure.  If it continues, the valve has either corroded or has become weak and defective.

In the case of a pilot light model water heater not functioning, first verify there is LP in the tank and the valve is on.  This can be determined by lighting another LP appliance such as the stove top.  Next, verify 12-volt power is coming to the module with a multimeter.  If the pilot light is working, and the water temperature is not hot, there typically is a temperature lever that you can adjust.  Check your owner’s manual for location and settings.  If the flame is not a consistent blue, check the air shutter to make sure it’s at the recommended opening.  Typically it should be 1/4 open, again check your owners manual.

The factory thermostat is typically 110-14- degrees, if the water temperature is not getting hot check your air shutter setting, burner assembly for blockage, improper burner adjustment, or blocked u-tube.For Direct Spark Ignition (DSI) Models, the thermostat is factory set at 140 degrees and is not adjustable.  The unit will start when the water temperature drops below 115 degrees and shuts off at 140 degrees.  This typically takes 20-25 minutes.  Some models do have an optional thermostat that can be adjusted from 110-150 degrees.   If the unit will not start check the following:

  • Gas present but no spark – check the wires connected to the circuit/module board to ensure they are tight, check the electrodes at the spark assembly, check gap at electrode-should be 1/8”, and verify the porcelain is not cracked and sending the spark to a ground source.  Otherwise the circuit board could be bad.
  • Spark present but no gas – verify the power coming to the circuit board is at least 10.5 v DC, clean the burner tube and orifice, check for loose wires at the ECO and T/Stat, verify gas valves are on and correct gas pressure is at 11” of water column.  A simple test for this is to start one burner on a stove top and verify a consistent blue flame, start a second and then a third.  If the flames flicker and are low, your LP pressure regulator is probably bad.
  • Insufficient or excessive water temperature – check to make sure the t/stat is properly seated to the tank, verify the burner assembly is working properly, if so, replace the t/stat.

If all above functions are working correctly, then it’s time to check the circuit or module board.  This should be done by a certified technician.

Here is a simple test procedure from Atwood:

  1. Check all wire connections
  2. Check the integrity and position of the spark probe assembly
  3. Check the alignment of the main burner to the orifice
  4. Check the alignment of the flame spreader on the burner tube
  5. Check the air adjustment
  6. Check the cleanliness of the orifice
  7. Check  for obstructions in the main burner tube
  8. Check the cleanliness of the flue tube
  9. Check the voltage to the valve
  10. Check the gas pressure of the RV
  11. Intermittent circuit board-if everything else checks out above, only then check the circuit board.  Make sure it is clean, all connections secure and is moisture free before changing it out.

About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

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How to Keep Your RV Warm on the Road

06 Wednesday Nov 2019

Posted by Coach-Net in RV Information

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Insulation, RV, RV heating, RV Water Heater, RV winter maintenance

Keeping Your RV Warm

The RV life has lots to love. A cold winter isn’t one of them, at least for dedicated snowbirds like myself. Since making our RV a full-time home for the last twelve years, I’ve become more adept at keeping warmth in and winter out of our RV when we’re flying south. Here are my best three tips when you’re trying to keep warm while traveling through cold weather.

Keeping RVs Warm in Winter Takes More Than Insulation

The snow-capped Rockies are one of my favorite sights in the world—from a distance. My husband and I love spending summer in the cool mountains but as soon as the aspen leaves fly, you’ll find us heading to the Southwest. Sometimes, however, we can’t make it to the sunny desert fast enough. When that happens, here’s what helps me keep my sanity and our RV warm when temperatures drop.

Tip #1: Accept that You Cannot Change the Weather

Woman In Snow Believe it or not, watching after your mental health is one of the keys to keeping warm in winter. I learned that after our first tornado scare in the RV. That’s when I became obsessed with checking Weather.com when a storm was predicted. And while it’s important to stay current on changing conditions, it took me several years to finally realized that looking at the forecast (and googling things like “can RVs blow over in high winds?”) is not going to change anything. In fact, it makes the weather seem colder and nastier than it is. Don’t blur the lines between worry and preparedness when the weather forecast looks bleak. Be prepared, but accept that no amount of whining or fretting will change the weather headed your way. Deal with it and suddenly the cold won’t seem so awful.

Tip #2: Carry Reflectix Insulation

If you don’t know about the benefits of RVing with Reflectix, now is the time, before the wrath of winter strikes. The inexpensive insulation product comes on a large roll. You cut it to the size of your RV widows and either tape them to the wall with blue painter’s tape, or just squeeze them in-between the shades and window as we do. Sure, it might make your RV look like it’s out of the TV show “Breaking Bad,” but you’ll keep warm.

RV Insulation

We didn’t realize how helpful this insulation product is until we went RVing to Alaska during summer and used it to darken windows and ceiling vents at night. I almost tossed it after our trip, then remembered that I have seen it used in RVs in cold climates. I’m so glad we kept it, especially after enduring an unusually cold Wyoming spring. Now I use it whenever freezing weather strikes. Of course, Reflectix has a few downsides, like trapping condensation behind it, and the big one, blocking out any sunlight. But overall, we’ve found it indispensable enough for us to carry in our mid-sized 27-foot rig.

 

Tip #3: Carry a Catalytic Heater

Our little Mister Buddy Catalytic Propane Heater is indeed an awesome traveling companion. He joined us a couple of years ago and now the little guy is a permanent member of our family. Since we don’t have an on-board generator, this portable space heater takes the edge off frosty mornings when we’re dry camping without hookups. It requires no battery power to operate, just a small propane canister (but you also have the option of hooking it into your main propane system). Mr. Buddy comes in a small and large size, and we found it to be well worth the cost.

Winter has a special charm all its own, but I prefer to admire it from afar. Really far. If you do too, there’s no reason why you have to suffer when cold winds blow and frost builds up outside. Follow the usual cold weather RVing tips like wearing sweaters, laying down throw rugs and making sure any drafts are covered. Then, remember these three tips to keep your RV warm on the move. Together, you’ll boost your happiness level enough to make it through to the sunny weather waiting for you down south.

About the author: Rene Agredano

Rene Agredano, a Coach-Net member since 2015, is a self-employed full-time RVer who enjoys writing, jewelry design and animal advocacy. Her adventures with a three-legged dog and husband Jim are chronicled at LiveWorkDream.com


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Improving Your RV Shower

03 Wednesday Apr 2019

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips, Tips & Tricks

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RV bathroom, RV bathroom hacks, RV Improvement, rv shower, RV tech tip, RV Tips, RV Water Heater, Shower Tips

RV Shower

Nobody can deny that being able to take a hot shower anywhere you travel is one of the very best parts of RVing. The problem is, most RV are small and run out of hot water quickly. Besides, who likes dealing with all the toiletry bottles falling from the sides of the tub while driving, or using those little built-in shelves?

Fortunately, there are things you can do to improve your RV shower situation. By changing just a few things, you can make the fact that you can shower in the middle of the woods or in a Walmart parking lot even better than ever. Why not get started today?

Curved Curtain Rod

Let’s start by addressing the issue of size. Nobody likes turning around in a tiny shower only to have the curtain stick to them as they go. The solution to this annoying problem? A curved shower curtain rod. Curved shower curtain rods take the middle of the curtain out away from the side of the shower, giving you more room to move as you wash up.

Pressurized Shower Head

Shower Head Pressure

With your space problem solved, it’s time to tackle the problem of too little hot water. A pressurized shower head uses air to increase the water pressure without using as much water. This, in turn, empties your hot water tank much more slowly, resulting in more hot water for longer. Another major bonus is that you’ll use less of your fresh water, thus taking more time to fill your gray tank when boondocking.

Tankless Water Heater

If the new shower head doesn’t do the trick and you still find yourself running out of hot water, you’ll need to turn to the water heater itself. An on-demand tankless water heater can solve this problem for good, leaving you with hot water whenever and wherever you need it. Just be sure to invest in an RV-specific heater in order to ensure you can run the heater while off the grid.

Wall-Mounted Soap Dispensers

Wall Mounted Soap Dispenser

Tired of picking your shampoo bottle up off the bathroom floor? Want to be done with moving everything off the shower shelves for moving day? Wall-mounted soap dispensers are a great solution. Simply mount one for your shampoo, one for your conditioner, and one for body wash, and you’ll never have to deal with unwieldy bottles again.

Command Hooks

Nobody likes drying off with a damp towel, and this becomes even more annoying when the towel isn’t even within reach of the shower when you’re ready to dry off. Command hooks are the quickest and easiest way to fix this issue. Simply hang one or two heavy-duty hooks on the wall nearest your shower and leave your towel on a hook to dry after each shower. Then, when it’s time to dry off the next time around, your towel will be dry and within reach.

Have an RV shower tip you’d like to share? We’d love to hear about it! Comment below to help your fellow RVers get the most out of their RV bathrooms.


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Winter RV Use – Preparing the Inside of Your RV

09 Wednesday Jan 2019

Posted by Coach-Net in RV Information, Tips & Tricks

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Beginning RV, Beginning Tips, RV, RV Beginner, RV Condensation, RV Refrigerator, RV Tips, RV Water Heater, RV winter maintenance, Slidouts

RV Winter Use

Many RV owners put their RVs in storage for the winter, particularly those who live in colder climates. Others enjoy the beauty of winter camping. While I highly recommend winter camping, it does require extra care on the part of the owner to protect both the RV and the occupants from the ravages of winter. This article suggests some ways to enjoy winter camping while protecting the inside or your RV from cold damage.

  1. Ceiling vents/fans – place insulating pads or pillows in the ceiling vents and fans.
  2. Refrigerator – the refrigerant can gel up at around 20 degrees F. This is a permanent condition. To help prevent this, if you must use the fridge, place duct tape over the top two vents on the outside access panel. Be sure to place the tape on the inside of the panel. A small space heater can help in the compartment, but it MUST be kept away from flammable objects. If your fridge has an ice maker and/or water dispenser, you must insulate the water line.
  3. Heating – if your unit has the furnace ducted into the basement, it is important to run the furnace at all times. However, you can save propane by keeping the thermostat low and wear extra layers of clothing. If you don’t have basement heating, you can save propane by using a space heater inside the RV. In this case be sure to crack a window or vent for ventilation.
  4. Water Heater – Ensure the water heater is turned on and functioning at all times. Consider using both propane and electric energy sources for the heater, in case you have a failure of one system.
  5. Condensation – winter camping will generate significant condensation inside the RV. You could run a dehumidifier to limit this.
  6. Propane – Propane use is fine in cold weather, but note that the vaporization temperature of propane is -40 degrees, so if it’s colder than that, your propane appliances will not work. Propane will be consumed quite rapidly in cold weather, so know where you can fill up.
  7. Slideouts – Slideout topper awnings and roofs accumulate ice and snow, which causes problems when trying to retract the slide, so be sure to keep ice and snow off the slideout as it accumulates. Also, it is a good idea to spray anti-freeze on the exterior slide seals to keep them from freezing, which can prevent the slide-outs from functioning. Consider retracting the slides the night before you are leaving an RV park to prevent overnight freezing of the seals and mechanism.

Since many of these precautions require 110V AC in order to work, extra care must be taken if you are dry camping. In that case, it will be difficult to keep your plumbing safe unless you have an Arctic Package. Remember that plumbing freeze-up can cause significant damage.

Finally, practice due diligence and be sure to check the weather at your destination(s), and make sure the parks and campgrounds you plan to stay at are open. Carry all the recommended cold-weather equipment such as tire chains, sleeping bags, flashlights, spare clothing, water in an insulated container, white gas stove, GPS, weather band radio, etc.


About the author: Steve Froese

Steve Froese, an avid RV owner, traveler, and Coach-Net member since 2013, is the principal of “A Word to the Wise Technical Communications”, a published RV author, certified RV technician, and licensed Professional Engineer. He frequently collaborates with the “RV Doctor”, Gary Bunzer, and has worked with the RVIA/RVDA as a technical and training writer and consultant. Professionally, he works as a quality engineer and musician. Watch for more of Steve’s work in upcoming Coach-Net publications.


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RV Appliance Winter Maintenance | Part 3 – Water Heater

13 Wednesday Dec 2017

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RV Water Heater Winter MaintenanceIn the third part of this multi-part series on RV inspection and maintenance, we will discuss the RV water heater. These articles provide tips on performing annual inspections and simple maintenance only. These pro-active steps should help mitigate unexpected component failures.

P&T valveWhen it comes time to inspect your water heater, it is a good opportunity to check for water leaks around the appliance, as there are several valves and connections that could leak or fail. With the water pump on or city water connected, look for leaks, drips, standing water or stains around the water heater, especially the rear where the connections are. Before winterizing, inspect the P&T valve (shown at the left) for proper operation by ensuring that the lever can be easily lifted with no binding. Check for excessive dripping from the valve, although some intermittent dripping is normal. If the P&T valve drips continuously, have your water heater checked by an RV Repair center.

If your RV has winterization bypass valves installed, ensure they are in the proper orientation for the desired operational mode. For instance, if your unit is winterized, make sure the valves are fully in the “bypass” position. Similarly, for normal operation, ensure the valves are completely rotated to the appropriate orientation. It is common for RV owners to fire up their water heaters, only to have lukewarm or cold water at the taps. This is almost always caused by a failure to fully open/close the bypass valves after winterization.

Inspect the front of the water heater for debris, insects, spider webs, etc. As with other propane appliances, insects like to make a home in the various tubes and orifices of the water heater.

Ignite the gas burner to make sure the heater lights properly and stays lit. If not, you need to have the water heater serviced.

Finally, inspect the drain plug. If you have a water heater with a steel tank, such as a Suburban, the drain plug will be integrated with a sacrificial anode rod. This rod gets attacked by the ions in the water, which prevents them from attacking the steel tank. Remove the anode rod and replace it if it is more than 70% worn. When replacing the anode rod, be sure to use Teflon tape (PTFE) on the threads to help seal them and make the rod easier to remove next season. If you have a water heater with an aluminum tank, such as an Atwood, it will have a simple drain plug. It is extremely important that you do not replace the plastic plug with a metal one. Using a metal plug that is not the same metal or alloy as the tank plug threads can result in a condition known as Galvanic Corrosion. This causes the metal interface, in this case, the threads to corrode, resulting in the plug being extremely difficult to remove. Stick with the plastic plug, and if the wrench flats start to round, purchase a new water heater plug. Camco makes an inexpensive replacement.

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Steve Froese, an avid RV owner, traveler, and Coach-Net member since 2013, is the principal of “A Word to the Wise Technical Communications”, a published RV author, certified RV technician, and licensed Professional Engineer. He frequently collaborates with the “RV Doctor”, Gary Bunzer, and has worked with the RVIA/RVDA as a technical and training writer and consultant. Professionally, he works as a quality engineer and musician. Watch for more of Steve’s work in upcoming Coach-Net publications.

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Water Heater Maintenance – Part 1

22 Tuesday Mar 2016

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Anode Rod, P&T Valve, RV Appliances, RV Safety, RV tech tip, RV Tips, RV Water Heater, tech tip, Water Tanks

Water Heater Maintenance For the past several weeks I have been writing about RV plumbing. I will now shift focus to appliances and will discuss water heaters this week and next.

Water heaters, like most RV appliances, don’t require much maintenance, but it is important to understand how they work in order to keep them functioning properly. Understanding basic terminology and operation also helps if something goes wrong so you can either troubleshoot it yourself or better understand the repair details as they are explained to you.

There are a number of different manufacturers, models, and sizes available. The two primary players are Atwood and Suburban and the general sizes are 6 gallon for average RV’s and 10 gallon for larger units, although smaller and larger models (from 3-12 gallon) are available. In terms of models, there are pilot, direct spark ignition (DSI), and DSI/electric. Motor-aid is also available for use in motorhomes. These utilize engine coolant to assist with heating the water. In addition, tankless instant heat models have appeared on the market recently.  However, in this article, we will only be discussing standard water heaters.

Although Atwood and Suburban water heaters are basically identical in form and function, there is a significant difference in that Suburban utilizes a glass-lined steel tank while Atwood uses aluminum. This is largely irrelevant to the end user except for how electrolysis is handled. Electrolysis, or galvanic corrosion, occurs due to the interaction of compounds suspended in the water (especially hard water) with the water tank, resulting in damage to the tank over time. For steel tanks such as Suburban, an aluminum anode rod is used, which is sacrificed instead of the steel of the tank. For Atwood and other aluminum tanks, the tank itself acts as the anode to the minerals. Therefore, if you have a steel tank, be sure to regularly inspect the anode rod and replace it when it is no more than 75% consumed. Be sure to use teflon (PTFE) tape on the threads. Never replace the anode rode with a plug. For aluminum tanks, do not use an anode rod, and always use a plastic plug. Do not use a steel or brass plug, as the dissimilar metals can cause severe corrosion, making the plug difficult or impossible to remove.

P&T valveIt is quite common for the P&T (Pressure & Temperature) valve to drip or leak occasionally. This generally just means that either the air space at the top of the water tank has been absorbed by the water or there is some debris trapped in the valve. If this happens, briefly open and release the P&T valve. If the leak was caused by debris, this will usually dislodge it. If the valve still leaks, turn off the water pump or park supply and open the closest hot water tap to the water heater. Then hold the P&T valve open until no more water flows out of it. Turn the water supply or pump back on and close the water tap as soon as there is no more air escaping. This will restore the air pocket and eliminate the drip. The other possible causes of P&T valve weeping are excessive temperature or faulty P&T valve. If the water temperature is too high, you will likely need to replace the thermostat or ECO. If the temperature is normal, replace the P&T valve.

In part 2 of this article, I will talk about what to do if you don’t have any hot water.

About the Author: 

Steve Froese, an avid RV owner, traveler, and Coach-Net member since 2013, is the principal of “A Word to the Wise Technical Communications”, a published RV author, certified RV technician, and licensed Professional Engineer. He frequently collaborates with the “RV Doctor”, Gary Bunzer, and has worked with the RVIA/RVDA as a technical and training writer and consultant. Professionally, he works as a quality engineer and musician. Watch for more of Steve’s work in upcoming Coach-Net publications.

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