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Choosing The Right Battery For Your RV

08 Thursday Oct 2020

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips

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battery care, Electrical System, RV Batteries, RV battery types, RV Electrical System, RV Electrical Tips, RV Safety, RV tech tip

Choosing The Right Battery For Your RV.

“What is the best battery for my rig?” The best or correct battery for your rig depends on a variety of factors such as:

  • How often will you be boondocking/dry camping?
  • How many 12-volt components will you be running and for how long?
  • How long do you plan on staying out before needing to recharge your batteries?
  • What type of budget do you have?

Most battery manufacturers make a variety of batteries for different applications. To start with, let’s look at the different types of batteries starting with cold cranking amp and deep cycle types.

Start/Engine Batteries

Start Your Engine Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) is a term used to identify the batteries’ ability to start an engine in cold weather.  Since it’s harder to start an engine in cold weather, the higher CCA means more amp power available to turn the engine over and start in a 30-second time frame.  This type of battery should not be used in your house battery application.

Deep Cycle/House Batteries

A deep cycle battery simply stores energy to provide steady power to 12-volt components in your RV such as lights, water pump, roof vents, and any appliance that runs on LP such as the stovetop, water heater, furnace, and others.  It is designed to be discharged and recharged repeatedly which is known as a cycle.  This type of battery is the best for an RV application.

RV Batteries

Most RVers are concerned about the “best” house battery for their rig rather than the start battery so let’s look at the different types of deep-cycle or house batteries available.

Flooded Lead Acid (FLA)

The flooded lead-acid battery has been around for years, in fact, it was invented in 1859 by a French physicist well before any RV hit the road and there have been quite a few improvements over the years.

Flooded Lead-Acid Battery

Lead plates are surrounded or submerged by an electrolyte solution of sulfuric acid and water and require more maintenance as water is lost during recharging and distilled water should be added periodically.  They are also more prone to sulfation if not recharged properly with a multi-stage charger.   They also need to be stored upright otherwise electrolytes will spill out the vent caps.  These batteries tend to be the most cost-effective.

Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM)

AGM batteries also have lead plates with an electrolyte solution, however glass sheets or “mats” are used to absorb the solution and due to the design, there is no gassing or solution loss and less maintenance.  They are also sealed and can be stored in an out of the way location without the need to check fluid levels or worry about leaking.  These batteries are typically twice the price of FLA batteries.

Absorb Glass Mat

6-Volt vs 12-volt

Whether you have FLA or AGM batteries, there are two different schools of thought in what RV manufacturers decide to use: 6-volt batteries connected in series, or 12-volt connected parallel. In either case, the end result is a 12-volt DC system!  6-volt batteries require two batteries that are connected positive to negative which is called in-series and creates a 12-volt battery bank.

Connecting two 6-volt batteries in series does not double the amp hours, to do that you need to add two more 6-volt batteries in series and connect them parallel to the system. The advantage of the 6-volt battery is they typically can by “cycled” or discharge and recharged more often so they will last longer but do not provide more power or amp-hours.

12 volt connected parallel

A single 12-volt battery can be used as a cost-effective method to provide power. Additional amp hours can be added with one more 12-volt battery connect parallel which is positive to positive.  This will double your available amp-hours.

Battery Size-Amp Hours

Deep cycle batteries are rated in groups, or available amp hours which is how long a battery can provide power before being discharged.  Here are some of the common amp-hours per group:

Group 24 – 70-80 amp hours

Group 27 – 80-100 amp hours

Group 31 – 100-130 amp hours

This means that the 100 amp hour battery will provide 1 amp of power for 100 hours.  However, we will use much more than 1 amp per hour so we need to determine what is being used and keep in mind that most batteries can only be discharged 50% before shortening the lifespan of the battery.

To calculate the best battery for your needs, start by determining how much time you will be boondocking or dry camping. Then identify what components you will be running and for how long.  Any appliance that uses LP such as the refrigerator, stovetop, oven, and water heater will use 12-volt power, however, they will not be running full time.  Items like interior lights, roof vent fans, and water pump will also need to be factored in.

If you are going to be camping with access to an electrical source, you can get by with a small group or amp hour battery and save some money as your converter will recharge your batteries.

Here are some typical 12-volt components and the amp draw from them

  • Incandescent Lights = 1.5 amps
  • Halogen Lights = 1 amp
  • LED Lights = .12 amp
  • Smoke Alarm = 1 amp
  • CO Detector = 1 amp
  • LP Leak Detector = 1 amp
  • Furnace = 10-12 amps
  • Water Pump = 5 amps
  • Refrigerator on LP Mode = 2-3 amps
  • Stove Top = 1 amp
  • Roof Vent = 3 amps

As you can see, there are several factors in what usage you might have in your rig, especially if you are camping in cold weather.  It’s not uncommon for a smaller rig to have a 10-15 amp draw which means you will only get about 4 hours with a group 24 battery! Here is the math:

80 amp hour battery x 50% = 40 amp hours

40 amp-hours / 10 amps drawn every hour = 4 hours of battery life

The more you use and the longer you need to stay out before recharging with either a generator or solar panels, the more amp hours you will need.

One other important item to consider when looking for the best battery for your application is the quality of the battery.  Several discount franchises offer a cheap “Marine/RV” deep cycle battery and the only feature of those batteries is the cheap price.  They are made with thinner plates, insufficient lead oxide paste and acid ratios, and inferior welds on intercell connections.  In short, they sulfate faster and go bad with dead cells and less storage quicker.  I would recommend getting a battery endorsed by the RV industry such as Trojan, Lifeline, and even NAPA batteries are being used with much success. Take some time researching the information on the website about thicker positive plates used and superior workmanship and you’ll find you get what you pay for.

In summary, the best battery for your application is not a simple answer, rather a calculation in the way you are planning to RV.


About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair ClubRV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

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5 Electrical Safety Tips For RVers

02 Friday Oct 2020

Posted by Coach-Net in RV Safety, Tech Tips, Tips & Tricks

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Electrical System, RV electrical, RV Electrical System, RV Electrical Tips, RV Safety

5 Electrical Safety Tips For RVers

One of the main reasons people get RVs is electricity. Being able to run an air conditioner, make coffee, and use a microwave while camping is a huge plus. If misused, however, electricity can be dangerous. It is important to remember that the electrical system in your RV is not exactly like the one in a “sticks and bricks” home. Let’s take a look at some RV electrical safety tips to ensure you have a safe and comfortable RVing adventure.

Check your plug and socket before plugging in.

Before plugging your RV into anything, you should take a look at your plug. Look at all of the prongs and note if there are any scorch marks or damage. Make sure there are no chips or missing parts on the prongs. If there are, it may indicate that you had plugged into a socket that caused enough arcing to damage the prongs at one point.

Arcing causes heat, so check the plastic/rubber around your plug. Check for any scorch marks or evidence that melting has occurred. If any part of the plug has melted, then you know at some point, that plug got hot. Loose connections in park receptacles is a common fault that causes heat.

It is not unusual for plugs and even cords to wear out over time, and you may notice a small amount of warping where the prongs meet the body of the plug. If there is a lot of damage and you are not knowledgeable with electrical wiring, you should have a technician take a look at the plug. External plugs and wires are usually easy and quick for a qualified person to replace.

Broken Electrical Gear

Electricity can get hot. Source: https://www.trailervania.com/rv-tips/30-amp-lesson-the-hard-way/

In addition to your plug, you should inspect the socket you are about to plug your RV into. Look for scorch marks, broken pieces of the socket, etc. If there is any indication that the socket has passed its useful life, let the park know. In many cases, they will be able to move you, or they may have someone on staff replace the socket with a new one.

Make sure the park is safe to plug into.

Whenever you plug your RV into a power pedestal at a park, you are trusting that their system is up to code and functioning normally. The potential danger and liability of improperly wired or faulty electrical components prompt many parks to ensure their electrical system is worked on by professionals. There are always exceptions to the rule, and after full-time RVing for over six years now, I have learned that just because a park looks well taken care of doesn’t mean that is the case.

Many products allow you to check the wiring of a socket you are about to plug into. Many of the inexpensive RV surge protectors will tell you if the wiring is correct. The inexpensive ones won’t stop you from using a socket with faulty wiring, but it will inform you about it.

circuit analyzer

This inexpensive circuit analyzer can be found on Amazon for around $55. It offers some surge protection as well.

There are more expensive systems that are called EMSs, which stand for electronic management system. Check out 5 Reasons Every RVer Should Invest in a Surge Protector/EMS if you are interested in learning more about the different types of wiring faults and EMSs. Regardless of what method you use, to prevent injury or damage to your RV, make sure the outlet you are plugging into is wired correctly.

Use the right cord.

So let’s say you are visiting friends or family, and one of them has told you to park your RV in the driveway for a free spot. When you arrive, you find the closest power receptacle is about 50 feet away. Your friend offers you a 50-foot extension cord intended to be used in a standard 20 amp household plug. You thank your friend and pull out your plug adapter.

5 Electrical Safety Tips For RVers

The 30 amp-male to 15 amp-female plugs are great and can be easily found on Amazon. Just remember they are only to be used for 15 amps or less.

This scenario is common and can result in damaged equipment if you are not careful. A typical household extension cord is only intended to run about 15 to 20 amps. That means that you are not going to be able to run all of the appliances you regularly use. Trying to pull too much power from an inappropriately rated cord can cause heat. Heat can melt things and even cause fires.

Watch your amps.

It is important to have an idea of how many amps you are running at one time, especially if you have a 30 amp RV or are plugged into a 30 amp socket. The cheapest way to do this is to know how many watts you have available to use. Below are common breaker amperage ratings and their max wattage on a standard 120-volt socket.

  • 15 amp = 1,800 watts
  • 20 amp = 2,400 watts
  • 30 amp = 3,600 watts
  • 50 amp = 12,000 watts

Most appliances have their wattage written on them somewhere. If you add up all the appliance wattage you have running at once, you can tell how close to your limit you are getting. You may notice that there is quite a jump in available watts when you go from 30 amp to 50 amp. That is because there are actually two 50 amp lines on a 50 amp hookup.

When my wife and I first started RVing, we put little red stickers on all appliances that took 1000 watts and over to run, including the air conditioner. We have a 30 amp RV, so our rule was no more than two 1000+ watt appliances could be run at once.

In addition to not going over your available wattage/amps, you don’t want to consistently push your RV to the limit. This can wear down motors in things like fans and air conditioners, but it can also cause a lot of heat and damage things like plugs and cords. If you want to learn about the formulas used to calculate wattage and more details about how a 30 amp and 50 amp RV system work, I wrote an in-depth article on that here.

Monitor your voltage.

Just like keeping track of your amp/watt usage, it is a good idea to monitor the voltage being supplied to your RV. Appliances can be damaged if the voltage is too high or too low. A quality EMS will prevent dangerous voltage levels from being used in your RV, but they are not cheap.

For those on a budget, a simple voltage monitoring device can be plugged into a wall socket and checked periodically. Most RV parks will not have a problem with the voltage being too high, but you should not run electronics if your voltage starts reading lower than 110.

Volt Meter

A simple digital AC voltmeter that can be found on Amazon.

Electricity is an integral part of our lives. It is easy to forget that it can be a dangerous force when not used properly. Keeping these safety tips in mind may help keep you and your RV safe.

About The Author: Natalie Henley and her husband, Levi, have been full-time RVers for over 5 years.  They have also been Coach-Net customers for the same amount of time.  They travel and workcamp around the U.S. in their 26-foot Itasca Sunstar motorhome with their two cats.  They write for multiple RV-related publications and recently co-wrote “Seasonal Workamping for a Living: How We Did It.” You can follow their adventures on the road at henleyshappytrails.com.


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The RV Electrical System – Part 1

26 Tuesday Apr 2016

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12 volt, 120 volt ac, Electrical System, RV Batteries, RV tech tips, Safety, tech tip

DC Electrical SystemBy far the largest volume of technical support I provide to RV owners is related to the electrical system. This is not surprising however, considering the electrical and propane systems basically comprise the entire house system. Many owners struggle with both these areas, but the electrical system remains the most elusive. Over the next few weeks, I will be discussing the RV electrical system.

Although the propane system is currently central to a recreational vehicle, manufacturers are moving towards electric appliances, which is resulting in less reliance on propane and more on electricity, making the electrical system truly the “heart and soul” of the RV.

The electrical system is complicated by the fact that there are really two sub-systems involved; the 12V DC and 120V AC components. Although this confuses some consumers, it’s relatively straightforward. In this multi-part column, I will attempt to simplify the topic and provide information that will enable any RV owner with basic technical skills to identify and troubleshoot RV electrical problems.

batteriesA logical place to start is with the 12V DC system. The 12V system provides power to all the interior lights (although there may be some 120V lighting in some coaches), range hood, water pump, vent fans, and some entertainment systems. It also controls many of the LP, and even 120V AC, appliances. This causes many owners to scratch their heads when troubleshooting AC or propane problems with their coaches, not realizing that the root of the problem lies with the 12V system.

The DC system begins with the batteries. Hopefully your coach has at least two deep cycle batteries powering the house system. Some dealerships provide only single batteries when they sell smaller trailers. They do this to save money, but a single battery is not sufficient, especially if the unit has a slide-out. If your RV has only a single battery, add another one.

The next question is whether to use 6V or 12V batteries. 12V batteries must be connected in parallel, which maintains the 12V, but doubles the current capacity. 6V batteries are connected in series, which doubles the voltage, but keeps the current the same. The current capacity is basically a measure of how long the batteries will last. Since 6V deep-cycle batteries contain much larger di-electric plates, the current capacity of a single 6V battery is more than twice that of a comparable 12V battery. The result is that using 6V batteries provides more current capacity than two 12V batteries, making it a better option. If you use primarily shore power for your RV, the battery question isnot as critical, and you can certainly save money by using 12V batteries, but the extra power capacity really comes in handy when you find yourself unexpectedly without shore power. Although it is true that the more batteries the better, this is not usually practical. Generally speaking, the ideal solution is to have four 6V batteries installed in the coach, any more than that takes up too much space and may create weight issues. If you have room in your battery bay, or you can create the space, I highly recommend the four battery setup. This requires a series-parallel wiring scheme. The details of this are outside the scope of this article, but wiring information for series, parallel, and series-parallel can be found on the internet.

Next week I will move on to the 120V AC electrical system.

About the Author: 

Steve Froese, an avid RV owner, traveler, and Coach-Net member since 2013, is the principal of “A Word to the Wise Technical Communications”, a published RV author, certified RV technician, and licensed Professional Engineer. He frequently collaborates with the “RV Doctor”, Gary Bunzer, and has worked with the RVIA/RVDA as a technical and training writer and consultant. Professionally, he works as a quality engineer and musician. Watch for more of Steve’s work in upcoming Coach-Net publications.

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