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Choosing The Right Battery For Your RV

08 Thursday Oct 2020

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips

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Choosing The Right Battery For Your RV.

“What is the best battery for my rig?” The best or correct battery for your rig depends on a variety of factors such as:

  • How often will you be boondocking/dry camping?
  • How many 12-volt components will you be running and for how long?
  • How long do you plan on staying out before needing to recharge your batteries?
  • What type of budget do you have?

Most battery manufacturers make a variety of batteries for different applications. To start with, let’s look at the different types of batteries starting with cold cranking amp and deep cycle types.

Start/Engine Batteries

Start Your Engine Cold Cranking Amps (CCA) is a term used to identify the batteries’ ability to start an engine in cold weather.  Since it’s harder to start an engine in cold weather, the higher CCA means more amp power available to turn the engine over and start in a 30-second time frame.  This type of battery should not be used in your house battery application.

Deep Cycle/House Batteries

A deep cycle battery simply stores energy to provide steady power to 12-volt components in your RV such as lights, water pump, roof vents, and any appliance that runs on LP such as the stovetop, water heater, furnace, and others.  It is designed to be discharged and recharged repeatedly which is known as a cycle.  This type of battery is the best for an RV application.

RV Batteries

Most RVers are concerned about the “best” house battery for their rig rather than the start battery so let’s look at the different types of deep-cycle or house batteries available.

Flooded Lead Acid (FLA)

The flooded lead-acid battery has been around for years, in fact, it was invented in 1859 by a French physicist well before any RV hit the road and there have been quite a few improvements over the years.

Flooded Lead-Acid Battery

Lead plates are surrounded or submerged by an electrolyte solution of sulfuric acid and water and require more maintenance as water is lost during recharging and distilled water should be added periodically.  They are also more prone to sulfation if not recharged properly with a multi-stage charger.   They also need to be stored upright otherwise electrolytes will spill out the vent caps.  These batteries tend to be the most cost-effective.

Absorbed Glass Mat (AGM)

AGM batteries also have lead plates with an electrolyte solution, however glass sheets or “mats” are used to absorb the solution and due to the design, there is no gassing or solution loss and less maintenance.  They are also sealed and can be stored in an out of the way location without the need to check fluid levels or worry about leaking.  These batteries are typically twice the price of FLA batteries.

Absorb Glass Mat

6-Volt vs 12-volt

Whether you have FLA or AGM batteries, there are two different schools of thought in what RV manufacturers decide to use: 6-volt batteries connected in series, or 12-volt connected parallel. In either case, the end result is a 12-volt DC system!  6-volt batteries require two batteries that are connected positive to negative which is called in-series and creates a 12-volt battery bank.

Connecting two 6-volt batteries in series does not double the amp hours, to do that you need to add two more 6-volt batteries in series and connect them parallel to the system. The advantage of the 6-volt battery is they typically can by “cycled” or discharge and recharged more often so they will last longer but do not provide more power or amp-hours.

12 volt connected parallel

A single 12-volt battery can be used as a cost-effective method to provide power. Additional amp hours can be added with one more 12-volt battery connect parallel which is positive to positive.  This will double your available amp-hours.

Battery Size-Amp Hours

Deep cycle batteries are rated in groups, or available amp hours which is how long a battery can provide power before being discharged.  Here are some of the common amp-hours per group:

Group 24 – 70-80 amp hours

Group 27 – 80-100 amp hours

Group 31 – 100-130 amp hours

This means that the 100 amp hour battery will provide 1 amp of power for 100 hours.  However, we will use much more than 1 amp per hour so we need to determine what is being used and keep in mind that most batteries can only be discharged 50% before shortening the lifespan of the battery.

To calculate the best battery for your needs, start by determining how much time you will be boondocking or dry camping. Then identify what components you will be running and for how long.  Any appliance that uses LP such as the refrigerator, stovetop, oven, and water heater will use 12-volt power, however, they will not be running full time.  Items like interior lights, roof vent fans, and water pump will also need to be factored in.

If you are going to be camping with access to an electrical source, you can get by with a small group or amp hour battery and save some money as your converter will recharge your batteries.

Here are some typical 12-volt components and the amp draw from them

  • Incandescent Lights = 1.5 amps
  • Halogen Lights = 1 amp
  • LED Lights = .12 amp
  • Smoke Alarm = 1 amp
  • CO Detector = 1 amp
  • LP Leak Detector = 1 amp
  • Furnace = 10-12 amps
  • Water Pump = 5 amps
  • Refrigerator on LP Mode = 2-3 amps
  • Stove Top = 1 amp
  • Roof Vent = 3 amps

As you can see, there are several factors in what usage you might have in your rig, especially if you are camping in cold weather.  It’s not uncommon for a smaller rig to have a 10-15 amp draw which means you will only get about 4 hours with a group 24 battery! Here is the math:

80 amp hour battery x 50% = 40 amp hours

40 amp-hours / 10 amps drawn every hour = 4 hours of battery life

The more you use and the longer you need to stay out before recharging with either a generator or solar panels, the more amp hours you will need.

One other important item to consider when looking for the best battery for your application is the quality of the battery.  Several discount franchises offer a cheap “Marine/RV” deep cycle battery and the only feature of those batteries is the cheap price.  They are made with thinner plates, insufficient lead oxide paste and acid ratios, and inferior welds on intercell connections.  In short, they sulfate faster and go bad with dead cells and less storage quicker.  I would recommend getting a battery endorsed by the RV industry such as Trojan, Lifeline, and even NAPA batteries are being used with much success. Take some time researching the information on the website about thicker positive plates used and superior workmanship and you’ll find you get what you pay for.

In summary, the best battery for your application is not a simple answer, rather a calculation in the way you are planning to RV.


About the author: Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair ClubRV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

Learn more about RV Repair Club.


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RV Battery Types and The Power They Provide

23 Wednesday May 2018

Posted by Coach-Net in Tech Tips

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RV Battery Types12-volt Deep Cycle batteries are the lifeline for RV enjoyment.  Not only do they power the common 12-volt functions like lights, roof vents, and such, but are also essential for powering any appliance running on the LP mode and even the absorption refrigerator on the 120-volt mode as the temperature sensor and monitor panel are powered by the 12-volt batteries!12-Volt battery

For the past 50+ years, RVs have mainly been powered by deep cycle, lead acid batteries which have lead plates placed vertically and are covered with a solution of water and sulfuric acid commonly called electrolyte.  In the RV application there is either a 12-volt battery that consists of 6 cells with plates, each producing 2.1 volts per cell.

The other type is a 6-volt batteries connected in series (positive to negative) which creates 12-volts, however two batteries are needed in this application.  There are only 3 cells per battery and each produces 2.1 volts per cell, so each battery produces 6.3 volts or 12.6 volts total just like the single 12-volt battery.  Each cell consists of a positive lead plate covered with lead dioxide and a negative plate made of a specific type of lead with an insulating material placed between the two plates.

These batteries require a specific multistage charging procedure each month and are subject to sulfation if not stored and charged properly.  They “gas” during the bulk stage charge and lose acid which requires periodic inspection.  Most owners do not properly charge and store their lead acid batteries and therefore they have become a hot topic for replacement options.

Gel batteries where introduced in the Mid 70’s and still maintained the lead plates, but had a gel acid instead of the liquid which was designed to be a superior battery with less maintenance.

AGM batteryThen came the AGM or absorbed glass mat battery which was maintenance free and literally had fiberglass mats inside the battery to absorb the acid and could be stored sideways!  Many RVers believe that replacing the lead acid batteries with AGMs will double the power available.  This is not true, rather the AGM batteries require less maintenance and are less prone to sulfation.  This makes them a more powerful battery only after the lead acid batteries develop sulphur between the plates and lose storage capacity!

In 1980 Lithium Ion batteries were introduced, but were not used much until the early 2000’s as the price was out of this world!

12-volt deep cycle batteries are simply storage devices for power, they can not produce or create voltage without receiving a charge from an outside source known as a charger from either a converter, solar panel, or other source.  The size of the plates and amount of electrolyte determine the storage capacity or amp hours (AH) the battery can provide.  These are classified in terms of “Group” ratings such as Group 24, Group 27 etc.  The higher the group rating, the higher the amp hours and therefore the longer the battery can provide power before needing a recharge.  A typical battery rated for 125 AH can provide 10 amps of power for 12.5 hours, or 20 amps of power for 6.25 hours.

Lead Acid Discharge and Sulfation

When a 12-volt source is activated, such as an interior light or roof vent, a chemical reaction between the lead plates and the electrolyte occurs which produces the energy for the light.  This chemical reaction also begins to coat the positive and negative plates with a yellow build up known as lead sulfate which is normal during the discharge process. Lead sulfate continues to coat the plates as the battery discharges to the 10.5 volt stage at which time they are completely covered.

Lead sulfate can be reconditioned back to lead and electrolyte if conditioned or recharged properly and immediately.  If left in a discharged stage the lead sulfate will form hard crystals that can not be converted back to lead and electrolyte and will diminish the storage capacity.

When not in use, all lead acid batteries will discharge, the rate depends on the condition of the battery, temperature, and what parasitic draw is on the battery.  Typically a battery with no sulfation and with no additional draw, will discharge at approximately 4% per week.

A 125 AH battery left in storage without a charger will lose 5 AH per week which means it will lose 80 AH capacity in four months or well over 50% of it’s capacity in just one year!

Proper Recharging

Lead acid batteries require a multistage charge every month which starts with a bulk charge or high voltage (16V) charge which breaks up the Lead Sulfate on the plates and then goes into an equalizing and float charge.  Typical converters and battery chargers are simply a fixed voltage charger that recognizes a low charge (10.5v) and applied a fixed charge of 13.6 volts, which can not reconvert the lead sulfate on the plates.  Plus, the recharge time is very long compared to a multistage charger.

Some larger inverter/chargers do have a multistage charger which will condition the batteries.  Check your system to see if the charger of your inverter has a multistage and conditioning feature.  During the recharge stage, the water is being converted back to hydrogen and oxygen “gases” and can be flammable.  That is why they are contained in a vented compartment.  This is also why lead acid batteries need to have water added periodically as well.  Sealed batteries such as the AGM type contain the gases and keep them with the electrolyte.Vent well

There are some alternatives to getting a very expensive inverter/charger such as the Battery Minder from Northern Tool.  This device has had much success in the aviation and golf cart industry and is starting to turn some heads in the RV market.  The Battery Minder uses high impact waves rather than high voltage to condition the batteries which means less gassing and less water loss.

Progressive Dynamics has introduced converters/chargers with a smart charging system called the Charge Wizard which recognized the condition of the battery and adjusts the charge accordingly to provide proper conditioning.  For more on their system visit https://www.progressivedyn.com/rv/power-converters/

Here are some quick tips for better battery maintenance:

  1. Use a multistage charger or conditioner
  2. Check your fluid level before every trip and add as needed
  3. Match the correct size battery with your 12-volt needs.  Don’t expect to dry camp for days on a group 24 battery!
  4. Find ways to reduce your need for battery power during dry camping such as
  5. Using the campfire to cook and make coffee
  6. Replace halogen and incandescent bulbs with LED
  7. Use a portable Catalytic Heater vs the RV furnace

About the author:

Dave Solberg: Managing Editor, RV Repair Club

For the last 25 years, Dave has conducted RV maintenance and safety seminars, developed dealer and owner training programs, written RV safety and handyman articles, authored an RV handbook reference guide and logged over 100,000 miles on the road in an RV.

RV Repair ClubRV Repair Club is your go-to online resource for enthusiasts who want quality RV maintenance, repair, and upgrade information – a community where passionate RVers can come together to gather knowledge and share their experiences.

Learn more about RV Repair Club.

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